City Harvest Church And The Devil

The recent news on a few members including the founding pastor of City Harvest Church being investigated by the authorities has become the latest news sensation on Christian churches. First, we have a situation where a group of female church members ganging up to take over a NGO. Then, in another church, a pastor openly mocked Buddhism and showed the video in its website. Now, we have the top pastor of the largest church being investigated for mismanagement of church funds.

As the authorities have not released any news on the investigation and the pastor had not been convicted by the court, I will not make any statement on whether there is any wrongdoings involved. The pastor may be found to be innocent or guilty. This article is not about him. I am writing on the way some members respond to this investigation.

Here are some excerpts:

“Excited for service City Harvest Church (Official) later….Will be there to see how CHC United in Prayers…..Gonna seek God and make the devil sit alone in hell…..

yeah me too.But i really trust Pst Kong wholeheartedly.. can’t wait for service 2dae! =p

Stand up and be counted, Havesters! 100% behind CHC and all Pastors.
I strong encourage everyone if you can, go to Service 1 to build strong atmosphere. Let the whole world see we stand and united together.

the bad plan by evil will be turn into best by our GOD
GOD is good and has big plan to everybody

satan will not WIN!! cause jesus has already won …. the devil knows his time is short but we no he will not win …… cause god is with us

the devil hates a united family his a coward ….. but we will show him that we are united as a family ……. together we can show the devil that we still will stand together …..”
Source: CHC United In Prayers Facebook Group

The above are some representations on what I can read in the support group’s page. I believe I have quoted enough to give you an overall picture on how these people think. It is the devil’s fault. The members had made up their minds that their beloved pastor is innocent regardless on the results of the investigation. If the authorities release a negative result, then they must be the devil.

I call this the ultimate case of mindless drone mentality. Those who had been infected by it can only believe what their pastor said as the only Truth. Any other testimonies that contradict the pastor’s words are automatically classified as lies from the devil. There is no room for consideration, analysis or any “what if” scenarios. I see the emergence of a personality cult. The pastor has become God.

Even if the pastor is found guilty of misusing the church funds, it is a lesser problem compared to the damage he has done to the minds of thousands of people. Are we going to see a holy crusade if the good pastor is found guilty?

Welcome to religious Christianity.

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36 Responses to “City Harvest Church And The Devil”

  1. Alvin Says:

    “First, we have a situation where a group of female church members ganging up to take over a NGO. Then, in another church, a pastor openly mocked Buddhism and showed the video in its website. Now, we have the top pastor of the largest church being investigated for mismanagement of church funds.” – Yeap Chee Seng

    I understand there are many things happening and happened in the past. Greater power comes with greater responsibility. We know that when more is given, more is expected. So whether a pastor, a monk, a executive or a celebrity, there are opt to be mistakes made: past, present and future. Some are trivial while some are serious and ‘raising eyebrows’. That’s why they need to be careful and be detailed in their work(ministry) while taking care of their loved ones, their kids’ welfare, and many aspects of their life. However as viewers and readers, it’s our freedom of speech to do whatever we want to encourage or to stay neutral or to tear down one’s lifelong success. We wouldn’t want a case of that to happen in Singapore.

    I don’t refer this article’s celebrity as celebrity, but as any tall figure we know of and anyone who is above our status who has made contributions -little or big: http://hubpages.com/hub/Celebrities_Do_We_Build_Them_Up_Just_To_Knock_Them_Down

    “This article is not about him. I am writing on the way some members respond to this investigation….The above are some representations on what I can read in the support group’s page. I believe I have quoted enough to give you an overall picture on how these people think. It is the devil’s fault.” – Yeap Chee Seng

    I almost laughed when I saw these comments. But one thing I know in writing, the main questions to these excerpts is does this quotes represents the whole thirty-three thousand chc members and does this formed a biased view? (We must also take into consideration anyone can write they are chc ‘supporter’ and post their comments on fb nowadays. Chc is not gona apprehend people who are like that..)

    “The members had made up their minds that their beloved pastor is innocent regardless on the results of the investigation. If the authorities release a negative result, then they must be the devil.” – Yeap Chee Seng

    Again, as above, Does all the comments convey a message to say their beloved pastor is innocent. These parts of statements are very biased and it is based very much on intuition, and ‘straw man’ method to overgeneralize a church like chc. Without much research and critical reading, we can’t expect readers to believe in everything a person says. Does their comments becomes a representative of a chc member?

    “I call this the ultimate case of mindless drone mentality. Those who had been infected by it can only believe what their pastor said as the only Truth. Any other testimonies that contradict the pastor’s words are automatically classified as lies from the devil. There is no room for consideration, analysis or any “what if” scenarios. I see the emergence of a personality cult. The pastor has become God.”

    This a one ‘jump over to conclusion’ comment, like XiaXue’s tweet. chc never believe in idolizing a pastor. There’s has never been any worship song written worshipping Rev. Kong hee. There’s never been a teaching such as how to idolized or how to be like Rev. Kong hee. Some will emulate a public figure. We give honor when honor is due, according to one’s personal experience. ‘Love’ and ‘idolize’ means two different meanings or conations. It’s not unnatural for anyone in or out of church to appreciate him after experiencing his hard work, warmth and love for people. But certain people tend to make false claims (post hoc) in the forums and their own blogs and hate mails without actually using critical unbiased reasoning.

    “Even if the pastor is found guilty of misusing the church funds, it is a lesser problem compared to the damaged he has done to the minds of thousands of people. Are we going to see a holy crusade if the good pastor is found guilty? Welcome to religious Christianity.”

    I am a City Harvester, and all I can say is I believe pastors do make mistakes… like any other man in the world we knew of; politicians to class rep, environmentalists to tourists, etc. It would be good to encourage and pray while the investigations are being carried out. I believe we all can be one united people, building Singapore “based on justice and equality” in achieving “happiness, prosperity and progress” for everyone. Humanitarians works were done regardless of race, language or religion, out of city harvest and our own accords. Yes, “things are solved better in the light.” We hope to see pastor stand strong during the investigations. Some of us have not been in a first-hand situations before, it easier to comment than to actually be there for church and family to solve such significant issues. Hope readers continue to pray and be positive.

  2. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    Dear Alvin,

    I am only referring to some of the members who had posted some daring statements equating this event to a war with the devil. I am sure many others do not share this view but the damage is real. Supposed 10% of the church members believe in this, then we have 3,300 fanatics to start a holy crusade.

    As for your doubts on whether they are real members of CHC, I have 2 points to make:

    1. Their comments were made in a CHC support page. It is getting very famous. The CHC did not denounce it.

    2. The more rational members did not rebuke them. There are some rational posts there but I have not seen anyone condemning the fanatics.

  3. Specineff Says:

    Hi Chee Seng

    I was searching for news update pertaining to investigations on CHC when i stumbled upon your site. couple of things i would like to comment on:

    1. Their comments were made in a CHC support page. It is getting very famous. The CHC did not denounce it.

    If the church sees the support page as an expression of love and confidence, by the people (attendees or not), in the management of CHC… i would not think the church would request to remove the page… “freedom of speech” being practised in Singapore afterall.

    2. The more rational members did not rebuke them. There are some rational posts there but I have not seen anyone condemning the fanatics.

    I guess I do qualify as a ‘more rational member’. And i, as pointed out, did not rebuke the others. Since i too, was once young, i can understand their zeal and seemingly irrational behavior. That said, the leadership had long preached respect for authorities and also that we should practice religious harmony, I am inclined to believe that there is no concern of ‘crusade’ of any sort to happen.

    Rest easy, mate.

    As for most of the main entry of the post, I would guess that most of the congregation would express positive confidence regarding the innocence of Pastor Kong. Their opinions would be based on a consistent behavioral track record of 20 years or more… rather than in his personal charisma. As someone who have been in CHC since 94/95, i entered with my eyes open and till date, while i may not agree with everything, i would say that i have seen quite a bit of good things that the church has done under his leadership.

    Hope this helps.

  4. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    Hi,

    Is the church so desperate for support that it would prefer to tolerate the fanatics? Suppose I join the group, identify myself as a CHC member and declare that we Harvesters love to worship Satan. Will the church still keep quiet?

    When some female members of COOS launched a crusade to take over AWARE, many Christians like myself had openly denounced their immoral behavior. Why did we do that? We want to make it clear to the rest of the world that we do not endorse such evil.

    Yet, when some fanatics in CHC turned this event into “us against them” and a crusade against the devil (as though the rest of us are demon possessed), the church leaders choose to look away.

    Why is this so?

  5. Daily SG: 8 Jun 2010 « The Singapore Daily Says:

    […] the world through my eyes: New updates on City Harvest Church [Thanks Tan] – Yeap Chee Seng Weblog: City Harvest Church And The Devil – Just Thoughts: Failing […]

  6. Singaporean Says:

    This one takes the cake …

    “CHC is half as the strength of the SAF regulars combined. Some regulars will even join us. If we want to build an army, we can. We want to buy arms, we have the money given to us by God to buy. No weapon shall form against us. CHC will be victorious, no matter what.”

    “When he arrived, the king asked him, “Micaiah, shall we go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or shall I refrain?” “Attack and be victorious,” he answered, “for they will be given into your hand.” – 2 Chronicles 18:14

    God will give us victory if we are willing to fight in the name of the LORD.”

    …. by a guy named Zhen Yi Kiew on CHC Facebook.

  7. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    Will the real members of CHC want to condemn this warmonger?

  8. Weekly Roundup: Week 24 « The Singapore Daily Says:

    […] the world through my eyes: New updates on City Harvest Church [Thanks Tan] – Yeap Chee Seng Weblog: City Harvest Church And The Devil – Just Thoughts: Failing Ourselves – The Grand Moofti Speaks: Singapore’s City Harvest Church, a […]

  9. xizor2000 Says:

    I did not like the outcome of the AWARE Saga but even as a Christian I know what is a defensible position and what isn’t. I’ll acknowledge at the very least that resorting to underhand political means to gain control of a secular organisation is ‘a terrible thing to do’ regardless of what the original intention maybe. In short, the ends do not justify the means, even while I may believe it is necessary to root out all the pro-homosexual stuff that’s being slipped into the sex education modules in school.

    But that’s an old matter anyway… back to the CHC investigations and my opinion is this: if everyone in the church is convinced that there is no wrong-doing, then the only prayer necessary is not that none of the leaders will be found guilty but rather that this will turn out to be a shining example of Christian integrity. And that would be a more lasting victory, when we are constantly bombarded with news of corporate greed and fraud, and how some of that lead to the recent economic crisis.

    Even if the results turn out otherwise, they should receive the news with a heart of thanksgiving and not blame the authorities or consider it as some kind of demonic scheme to destroy their church. Singapore’s investigators generally have good credibility and international standing. It would be good that God has exposed the parasites within and root it out through the authorities He established on earth while the evildoers pull a veil over the collective eyes of the congregation while they perform their deed.

    Anyway, CHC haters believed that some corruption is going on while the CHC’ers believing that their leaders were framed. That is quite ironical, because the CHC’ers are now implicitly agreeing that ‘there is something wrong’ without realizing it. And for the leaders to make clear to the congregation what is the best cause of action instead of allowing all of these ‘self-driven or spontaneous acts’ of their members to continue prejudicing the case.

    Then again, when I looked at it, it is clear to me that church leadership in CHC has been dysfunctional and has broken down ever since Sun Ho went on to pursue a secular career. There was never any attempt to rein in the self-driven and spontaneous support for her secular albums, isn’t it?

  10. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    Whether the leaders had broken the law, it is a past event. Prayers is useless unless you expect God to tamper with the evidence. The investigation is on a few individuals, not the church. Even if those people are found to be guilty, it will only show the church as the victim, not the criminal.

    The CHC haters are irrelevant. Once you have risen to a certain level, there are bound to be people who just love to hate you for no reason.

    It is the CHC members who have to learn to accept the truth even if it is not the truth they want. If the pastor is guilty, so be it. Let him go through the penalties and move on.

    There are things that go wrong in this church just as in any other churches but Sun Ho becoming a star is not one of them. Unless you are a mindless drone, you will have some personal desires that you want to fulfill. Becoming a star can be one of them. Just do it legally and separate from the church.

    If the church members want to buy your albums, let them buy them outside the church. Using the church’s resources to promote your album will only cause more problems.

  11. peter Says:

    There is nothing wrong to start a church. There is nothing wrong to go on mission to help the less fortunate. Sure we need money but do make sure it is for that purpose. Dont start a sepcial collection or a “second collection” as the church calls it. I once asked the pastor with so much you collect as tithes, why cant you use it for that mission or get someone-off from financial worries? The answer: NO ANSWER.

    I do want to worship God but I wont destractions and wrong preaching to divide my family. Thank goodness I have brought up my children the way I want them to see God and do good (in their attitudes towards others). I am lucky because my children were brought up in the mainstream church. We went to those independent chirches and they told me in their own words>

    1. It’s a cult – you go because it’s cool to be in your click of friends.

    2. It’s a personality-based church because you only see the pastor on stage. Some churches dont even have the cross which is a symbol of Christianity on stage.

    3. There is only 1 person who can do miracles. he’s Jesus but he’s not here on this earth. So pastors who claim they are better than doctors are conmen.

    4. I dont deny some of us make mistakes in our past lives. BUT a crook is always a crook. People dont change.

  12. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    1. Cinemas, game arcades, cafes and discos must also be cults because they look so cool.

    2. There is no law that says churches must have a cross hanging on its wall.

    3. The Bible records more than 1 man who can do miracles.

    4. The Bible records than people can change.

  13. peter Says:

    I didnt think there should be a law on hanging the cross. So if it’s just a practice, then where is the symbolism of Christianity. Every country has a flag, so you see we dont need one?

    Anyway, I am not that kind of book-savvy on the Bible. I betetr spent my time be of a betetr character than just having book knoweldge.

  14. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    We have the right to decide what we need. There is no law saying that all Christians must use the cross as a symbol.

  15. Capricorn Says:

    Chee Seng, Christ himself said in Mat 16:24 If anyone wants to follow me, he must deny himself, pick up his cross, and follow me continually.

    That said, I agree with you. CHC is not a church – the cult of personality or personalities within the church is blatantly obvious. Here is a supposed church preaching the gospel of wealth – teachings which are nothing short of heretic. And the way some CHC’ers have commented you would think they would die for Con Hee and do believe him to be infallible and could do no sin. The irony is he probably brings judgment upon himself for using God’s name to get rich.

    I thought to myself surely Singaporeans should be able to see through all the lies? But it seems some people are easily swayed by promises of con-men who call on the name of Christ to justify everything. My comments may seem to be harsh and judgmental but if one truly dissects the teachings, lifestyle, approach and sermons of Con Hee, you will realise these are not entirely consistent with what Jesus has taught and some of it is really pure heresy.

    My wish is not to bring further division, but to pray that all CHC’ers will one day awake to the real Christianity. As God intended, as Jesus taught, and as the Holy Spirit guides. One which does not rely on promises of earthly riches, and a Christianity borne of humility and reverence to the Lord.

  16. andy Says:

    The bible taught us that only God is infallible,you see this from cover to cover of the good book ,yet time and time again many churches have led the congregations to believe that they ,the pastors are infalliabe.Another pope figure ,contrary to sound Christian doctrine.See Corinthians chapter 12 ,pastoring is only one of the gifts,not a licence to lord over a congregation and claim infallibility..Only Christ is Lord and head of the church,the rest are servants.Check the bible,even the word apostle starts with a lower case but pastors today starts with a upper case, “Pastor”.a title rather than a man with a gift of spiritual function.

  17. andy Says:

    Let this truth be known,many churches have replaced the word of God with the word of their pastor as the authority of the church.Some congregations are taught that questioning their pastor is equivalent to questioning God.Pastors who teach Such heresy will end in hell because they equal themselves with God ,Such teaching is heretical and blasphemous.Listen ,deception has entered the church .Listen to the Word of God not men who tickle your ears.Let it be known that tithing is relevant to the old covenant, tabernacle worship.Christ has done the perfect sacrifice ,so by faith alone and not by works we shall be saved.Don’t let the pseudo pastor rob you.Bible says “purpose ..how much you want to give and God love a cheerful giver..”

  18. andy Says:

    Prosperity doctrine is heretical,if you subscribe to it your god is money.Sound doctrine taught us that our treasure is in eternity.was Christ or any of the apostles rich during their time on earth.Prosperity doctrine appeals to people’s greed and the bible said that the love of money is the root of all evil and prosperity doctrine is exactly that.The pseudo pastor teaches”give and it shall be given….” and appeal to you to empty your wallet…fools check the bible ,Christ in that scripture was teaching about giving grace and mercy and God will show you greater grace and mercy in return.watch out deception is within the church especially Charismatic ones.They are guilty of twisting the word of God. Go back to sound doctrine,study his word and understand it as God intended.

  19. andy Says:

    Hi YCS,
    I agree totally with you.Prosperity in the context in the bible means “all thing goes well” but prosperity preacher focus on financial wealth.All things being equal God bless His children , But God in His wisdom will not ruin His child if He knows that financial wealth will destroy him and in withholding financial wealth from him is infact prospering him.Don’t ever let proponent of prosperity doctrine fool you .Sovereign God knows wrho to bless ,what to bless when to bless and that is not up to those pseudo man of God.

  20. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    This is pure persecution through generisation. If preaching on financial wealth means focusing on it, how about preaching on missions?

    Do you let the proponent of mission doctrine fool you? Sovereign God knows who to send for missions ,what to mission in when mission and that is not up to those pseudo man of God.

  21. andy Says:

    Prosperity doctrine proponent likes to generaliz that every believer ought to be financialy rich but we ought to leave that to God if you have faith in Him.But it is explicitly clear in the bible that the entire plan was His salvation for man n His will that everyone should hear the gospel.Don’t let some pseudo man of God teach you otherwise .

  22. andy Says:

    Ya God has a desire that the Gospel of salvation to be preached to the entire world but there is nothing in the bible to says that all men should be missionaries.Jesus died to redeem us from sin but there is no promises that He died so that we can have a fat account.Many Christians remain poor in certain countries because they are persecuted by anti Christian authority just like the first century Christians,can we say that they do not have the right faith because they are not financially rich.

  23. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    Mission doctrine proponent likes to generaliz that every believer ought to go for mission but we ought to leave that to God if you have faith in Him. But it is explicitly clear in the bible that the part of the plan was His salvation for man n His will that everyone should be allowed to hear the gospel.Don’t let some pseudo man of God teach you otherwise .

  24. andy Says:

    Corinthians 12 mentions about different spiritual gifts it is not correct to generalize that all believers must be missionaries .check that out in the bible ,praise God for His wisdom.

  25. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    Yet this is the standard practise for religious churches.

  26. andy Says:

    You r stereotyping hey hey no no

  27. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    Just turning the table. If those who preach prosperity are prosperity preachers, then those who preach missions must be missions preachers.

  28. andy Says:

    Ok I understand but His standard is in His word .By the way I left organised religious church to discover the word of God.Seek God study His word n be wary of “churches” some r just business organisationsbut some are ok.But Christ is awesome.Jesus Christ rules.

  29. charles calvin Says:

    I had just attended CHC for the past one year and all I can say is my life have been changed and I’ll not look back. Within this period, I have seen many souls being saved after attending cell group, service n seen their lives changed for the better. Above all this, I do believe that no man is infallible including Pastor Kong Hee. But what I can say is, the respect CHC members shown is due to the respect and love for this man who is willing to go the extra mile and continue to challenge each member to continue growing and love Jesus Christ and bring glory to His name. I’ll always remember the teaching of not to judge others as you will be judge accordingly by God. If the man has sin, let God judge him at his time. but for us believer in Christ, we should continue to love and help to build each other up and win souls for Christ. So not waste time in this judgmental squabbling but go out and help someone out there who is in need. For action speaks louder than word.

  30. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    I agree with you. I wish the rest of this church has your wisdom.

  31. Dakota Says:

    The blind leads the blind and they all fall into a deep pit! dun bother to repy me..cos I can’t be botherd with all your brainwashed reply

  32. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    Amen.

  33. bic Says:

    Kong is just a charlatan like many who came before him. Out of curiosity i u tubed 10 laws of harvest and at exactly 3.57, i got a good look at the faces of the people who attend the church. No wonder. What a bunch of losers. But to be fair these social misfits have no where else to go to. Its either they join some dodgy mlm or get themselves hook up with some dubious church. I will start to question the integrity of my pastor if he is ever under investigation for fraud and not support him blindly. Then again if u r a harvested soul, you should go on supporting your dodgy pastor, at the same time please give your church more money while you are at it. Sell your car, sell your home, take a loan, pawn your jewellery, empty your pockets and your soul and give it all to kong. You will then be blessed with 60 cars, 60 homes and much much more.

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