Engineering Analysis On Rony Tan Saga

I have written my views on Rony Tan saga as a Christian. Now, I want to look at it from an engineering perspective. For those who don’t know me, I have a degree in civil engineering from the National University of Singapore. I am qualified to do this analysis.
(Some people find fault in the above sentence. If I have written this article last month, I would have said I am an engineer. I can’t said the same now because I am not an engineer at this moment.)

Let us begin from the status quo. Pastor Tan had removed the offending videos and apologized to his victims. His apology was accepted by the leaders of Buddhists and Taoists. Yet, there is still widespread anger on him. Why?

The most obvious part is, there is a perception on double standards in the enforcement of law. There were 3 teenagers been arrested by the police for posting racist remarks. Pastor Tan’s offence was definitely more serious. Yet, he was never arrested. This has created the impression that pastors are above the law.

However, I believe there is an underlying reason behind this widespread anger. The people are not angry with Pastor Tan as an individual but on what he represents. He is now seen as an icon the represents all the aggressive evangelistic moves done by Religious Christians.

I have read many postings on over-enthusiastic Religious Christians trying to convert people at all cost, including insulting their religions. Such phenomena is not new in Singapore. Religious Christians can sink to any level, even to the point of humiliate others in order to get them to convert, What Pastor Tan has done is he has presented himself as a focal point for people to direct their anger from their humiliation.

Therefore, punishing Pastor Tan represents punishing those Religious Christians.

There is also an issue of perverse logic. I have watched the video on the interview with the ex-nun. The pastor’s logic was totally sick. When miracles happen to Buddhists, the demons are behind it. When the same miracles happen to Christians, then it must be God. If I don’t know better, I will avoid Christianity like a plague. No wonder, people are angry and want to see justice done.

Finally, many churches are still very hostile toward religions other than theirs. Pastor Tan would never have stepped into a temple if the ISD did not call him. I can relate a personal experience here. When I was in my first church, I attended one of their overnight prayer. One of the prayer item was to pray against a coming Buddhist event.

The was an event that would take place a few days after where there was an exhibition on Buddhist arts. Somehow, we saw that as an offence to us and we have to pray against it. On hindsight, I find that very sick. Even prayer was used to propagate hatred.

So, my advice to all religious churches is, if you want to be accepted by the public, you have to stop all your hostilities.

This is all I have for now.

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31 Responses to “Engineering Analysis On Rony Tan Saga”

  1. Kok Hwa Khoon Says:

    In order for all these hostilities to stop or even subside, the christains members themselves, need to understand that it is wrong and to stand up against the call of their churches… if the members do not even make themselves heard, silence simplying means consent and of course, the churches will continue to pray against Buddhist etc…

  2. yaevlejunce Says:

    Just out of curiosity, how is this “analysis” from an engineering perspective? And what has your degree from NUS got to do with these views?

  3. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    This means I look at it as if it is an engineering problem and without the influence of my Christian beliefs.

  4. Wakka Says:

    to be honest, i still believe your subconscious will influence your judgement and i don’t really see how engineering got anything to do with sociology analysis..

    that aside, i kind of agree with your points though.

    however, your “real truth” only holds true to a certain group of people – those who had bad experience(s) with such aggressive evangelistic people.
    and within this certain group of people, i believe few would actually base their anger on their past experience alone.

    personally, its the double standard of law, his perverse logic on top of his hypocrisy, topped off with a little of my past experience that made me pretty anti him.

  5. peacefulone Says:

    Hi Yeap! I hope this note finds you well. I wanted to know if you can recommend a site to put free e-books or otherwise together. Many thanks.

    PS I’m thinking this may be an area we may want to push our FB friends towards for projects. Love E

  6. Kelvin Tan Says:

    Would you also advise Elijah to stop all his attacks on the prophets of Baal, in order to achieve religious harmony?

  7. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    Kelvin Tan, If you do not intend to obey our laws, you are free to leave this country. The same goes for Elijah. This is Singapore. Period.

  8. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    Hi Elaine, I will look into it.

  9. Kelvin Tan Says:

    So, in your opinion, the law determines whether an action is morally correct?

  10. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    Pastor Rony Tan’s actions are morally wrong and he has apologize. He had also instructed you not to justify his wrongs. Do you intend to disobey him?

  11. yaevlejunce Says:

    When the Apostles were charged with the Sedition Act by the ISD, Paul said, “We must obey God rather than any human authority”.

  12. Kelvin Tan Says:

    Hehe, so anyone that does not conclude that his actions are “morally wrong” must be from Lighthouse church?

    It must be, right? After all, isn’t it so obvious that what he did was morally wrong? Like you said, he even apologized!

  13. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    Why don’t both of you jokers repeat Pastor Rony Tan’s feat? Any theologian can quote the Bible. It takes real Christians to make it work.

    I dare you two clowns to repeat the same thing and see whether you can get the chance to apologize. You are a disgrace to Christians.

  14. yaevlejunce Says:

    Jokers? Clowns? Disgrace? Please keep this conversation civil; I only comment because I expect professional responses. Afterall, personal insults do not seem fitting from someone who claims to be “qualified” to comment on Christianity simply because he has an engineering degree from NUS (but then again, that in itself never seemed fitting to me).

    I do not quote the Bible as a qualified theologian and unlike you, I wouldn’t boast of any qualification at all because arguments are valid simply based on their logic, not based on the speaker’s degrees or lack thereof.

    Real Christians do not need to make the Bible “work”. Real Christians know what the Bible really says, and they do it. Real Christians stand for what they know is right, not what is politically correct or convenient. Like Paul would say to you, “Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God’s sight to obey you rather than God.” (Acts 4:19)

    And in any case, since when did I said anything about Rony Tan’s mockings? My stand is that while we should not degrade to mocking and ridiculing (or name-calling for that matter, in your case), the bottomline is that we cannot stop evangelizing just because it makes people or governments “uncomfortable”, but we need to continue to do it simply because God has commanded us to. That you can’t even tell my position, and instead assumed what I did not say, only goes to show what kind of “analytical” skills are – and how good your engineering degree really counts in this.

  15. Joon Tai Says:

    Interesting discussions and comments.
    As a free thinker and observer with no vetsed interest, I would say that this type of things will unavoidably continue to happen – as long as people believe that their religions are the only true religions and it is their mission to promote their religions. In history, it is exactly this sense of missionary that caused much conflicts, including wars.
    In Singapore, we are fortunate to have leaders who know the problems and act swiftly to stop it from becoming a big social harmony issue. As memebers of society, we need to keep reminding us to respect the believes and wills of others rather than insult them.

  16. Ben Says:

    Dear Chee Seng, I am a Christian. I read with interest your comments on Rony Tan and how you say you are a Christian and yet you put down Christians and Pastors. I am not sure where you stand as a Christian. You have expounded much on the Word of God but you seem to take the bits you like and discard what you don’t like. I wrote this because as I read, you seem to be putting more salt to the wounds of a remorseful Rony Tan than to help him move on and sin no more. I wonder who made you judge in this?

    I encourage you to review these verses from the word of God.

    1. Rony Tan has repented to God, to the Buddhist and Taoist leadership. If God can forgive him, can you not forgive him too?
    1 John 1:9 – 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

    2. We are the Body of Christ: If we are Christians, we are part of the one body of Christ. Do you have kids? If one of the children did some thing wrong and repented; does the father and the rest of the siblings continue to condemn the child or does the father forgive him/her if he/she had learnt a lesson, repent, vow not to repeat it, and move on? Your attack just hurt the body of Christ as a whole. I am not justifying Rony’s action since he admitted it, repented and sort forgiveness, etc; does he not deserve a chance to change his ways.
    1 Corinthians 12:20 – 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
    1 Corinthians 12:26, 27 – 26If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. 27Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.

    3.Please be careful with the tongue. The tongue is a very powerful organ, it can build up or it can destroy. Your words shows intent to destroy.
    James 1:26 – 26If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless.

    4. Please do not Judge – The bible say so
    Matthew 7:1, 2 – 1″Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

    5. Please do not be Faultfinders – The bible say so
    Jude 1:16-19 – 16These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. 17But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

    I hope you would consider these verses from the bible.

    God Bless
    Ben

  17. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    yaevlejunce, you mocked the pastor for apologizing. That is the truth. What is your intention here? Do you want to see this country to have religious riots. I don’t care how many Bible verses you can quote, we Singaporeans value our religious harmony. If you cannot accept that, please leave.

    By the way, I have written a ebook on your kind. It is called “10 LIES OF RELIGIOUS CHRISTIANITY”. I am sure you will find it very familiar. You can download it for free on the right side of this blog.

  18. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    Dear Ben, As I have explained in my engineering analysis, this is not an isolated case. Many people can testify on how they were insulted by the Militant Christians in their evangelistic approach. Their way of seeking converts at all cost has resulted in many resentments against true Christianity.

    As a true Christian, it is my desire to expose the counterfeits and reveal the truth. Have you read my book, “10 LIES OF RELIGIOUS CHRISTIANITY”?

  19. yaevlejunce Says:

    I said this:
    When the Apostles were charged with the Sedition Act by the ISD, Paul said, “We must obey God rather than any human authority”.

    Is that mockery? Was I, as you just accused me, “mocking the pastor for apologizing”? St Paul WAS brought before the Sanhedrin to be questioned by the high priest who said that they had given strict orders not to teach in the name of Jesus. And Paul replied “We must obey God rather than any human authority”.

    I quoted this to point out to you that the ultimate obedience of a Christian ought to be to God, rather than to man. I neither justified Rony Tan’s sermon, nor did I “mock” his apology. How long will you cast false judgement, Chee Seng?

  20. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    yaevlejunce, Is that not a mockery of Pastor Tan fopr not obeying God? What else is your intention of bringing up Paul’s case here?

    What is the similarity between Pastor Tan and Apostle Paul? Apostle Paul stood his ground and insisted in obeying God while Pastor Tan gave in and apologize. Is this not the message you imply?

    The bottom line is still the same. We Singaporeans value our religious harmony.

  21. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    yaevlejunce, Is that not a mockery of Pastor Tan for not obeying God? What else is your intention of bringing up Paul’s case here?

    What is the similarity between Pastor Tan and Apostle Paul? Apostle Paul stood his ground and insisted in obeying God while Pastor Tan gave in and apologize. Is this not the message you imply?

    The bottom line is still the same. We Singaporeans value our religious harmony.

  22. yaevlejunce Says:

    Is pointing out a difference necessarily “mockery”? Don’t be simplistic now, simply to cover up for your rash vehement accusation. My intention was to point out an important statement Paul made when faced with a similar situation – that our obedience is owed to God first, not men. Just because I added some humour, have I made it too tricky for you to see that my true intent was to talk about proselytizing as a whole, rather than to act as judge over this one incident (which has a nuance difference with Paul’s case)?

    I pointed out that quote also for your sake, Chee Seng, to remind you of what Paul said, since you seem to have ignored it in your post.

    So is my intention now to “mock” Rony, like you accused, and still accuse me of? Did I say anything about rejecting religious harmony? Are these the kind of conclusions your “analytical” engineering skills from NUS really brought you to?

    Please, if you’re wrong, be like Rony and apologize for your false accusations.

  23. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    yaevlejunce,

    I apologize for pointing out the obvious. Paul had never promoted religious riots. If he did, I am sure the authorities will bar him from entering Singapore.

  24. Ben Says:

    Dear Chee Seng, I am not trying to put you down but your statements are contradicting. You make very bold statements about being a true Christian and exposing the truth but all you have done is tell people not to be Christians because being Christian is living hell. In your e-book, it is a great evangelism testimony for other religions as being Christian is going into a living Hell. Who would want to be a Christian? None. I encourage you to rethink this. Consider the following verses from the bible.
    Eph 4: 29-32 – 29Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
    Gal 6:7-10 – 7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. 10Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

    Ben

  25. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    My book records the truth that I have experienced. I have no intention to convert people by hiding vital truths.

    The bottom line is churches have to reform. Whether they believe salvation is by faith or by works, they should state clearly in the beginning and stick to it. The practice of preaching salvation by faith to non Christians and faith without works is dead after they become Christian is nothing more than hypocrisy.

  26. Ben Says:

    Dear Chee Seng, what you are saying is the bible is full of “hypocrisy”. It is the bible that says

    Ephesians 2:8-9 – 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.

    And in

    Jas 2:14-17 – 14What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? 15If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, 16and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? 17Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.

    So is it a contradiction? No it is not it you take it in perspective. Firstly, we cannot work for our salvation, it is gift of God, doing good in this world ONLY will not bring us to God. However, the gift of salvation can be rejected.

    In Rom 10:9-10 it says 9That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

    Rev 3:20 – 20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.

    So conclusion, to be come a Christian, it is an invitation. To accept this invitation, we need to repent, confess Jesus and invite Jesus into our hearts. As a natural consequence of being a child of God, we will have it in us to naturally do the works he did when he was walking amongst us as we become more like Christ. Christ came to serve and not to be served. Of course, it is not easy. However, as we become more like Christ it becomes easier.

    It will be hypocrisy to say that we are a Christian and don’t be like Christ.
    Ben

  27. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    Are you saying that the 10 lies in my book are all biblical? Are you calling Christ a liar?

    The Bible never said anything about different gospels for believers and non believers. The Bible never said anything about God as a pervert who gives thorns of the flesh to show his sufficient grace.

    If you are interested, I can guide you on the true Gospel. I have written a lot of articles here in this subject.

  28. Yeap Chee Seng Says:

    “It will be hypocrisy to say that we are a Christian and don’t be like Christ.”

    The truth is there is no standard definitions on the term “be like Christ.” The First Layer Gospel never said you must be like Christ in order to be saved. Neither does it give any definitions on what it means.

    The meanings of “be like Christ” varies among churches.

  29. Ben Says:

    Dear Chee Seng, I think I have said enough. Obviously, you have deep bitterness against the Church and pastors. I am sorry for that. What you say in the e-books is obviously not of God. God’s way is to build up and encourage not destroy. If you missed that then I urge you to review the Word again. As my sharing is based on the Word of God, are you saying that word of God I shared is not correct or inaccurate?

    The bible also has this to say:

    Romans 16:17-18 – 17I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.

    1 Corinthians 3:17-19 – 17If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is sacred, and you are that temple. 18Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a “fool” so that he may become wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”;

    This will be my last response. God Bless
    Ben

  30. Jeffrey Says:

    Jesus said: My house should be a house of prayer, but rony tan had turned it into a den of thives.

  31. Absolutenornot Says:

    Now, for the sake of ‘religious harmony,’ ban the Bible, as so much that is written in the Bible is condemning those who are unbelievers. (Those who do not believe in Him are condemned alread-just one of the many examples -John 3 v 18) and also other issues that obviously show disrepect & insensitive to some main religions like selling & eating some kind of meat in the public places, where the kind of meat is highly regarded as sacred or downright hated by some religious groups. Ban all kinds of burning of incense or ‘paper offerings’ in public as it is also shows great unconcern and disrespect to some homes of different religions where the smoke of the burning can just go into the houses or dwelling units. The list can go on and on.
    Now the society is more civilised, and the people (not all) are more prone to complain and complain, and act so vulnerable as if they are made of glass. So, make a list of 1000 commandments; thou shall not….thou shalt not, you shall not do this, not do that, not do those…..for ‘respect & harmony.’


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